This ought to be fun.
A few upfront disclaimers.
First: I’m sure this will cause some varying levels of mental and emotional anguish. My take - I really don’t care. Life is full of things that cause discomfort to varying degrees and as adults we are equipped to handle those things and still function. If that’s not the case for you, better put your jammies back on, crawl back in bed with your pacifier and ride out the rest of the day under the covers.
Second: I have no doubt that some will want to unsub. Please feel free to. I’ve never asked for your money, so the only contract or understanding we have is you choose to drop in and read what is here. If that changes for whatever reason that’s quite fine and understandable. You staying (while appreciated) makes me no money, gives me no special status and you leaving will be just as inconsequential to my daily life. Do us all a favor though and just leave, with out the histrionics. However, if you must make a scene while leaving, for your own sanity’s sake, know I won’t engage. Other’s may choose to, but for me it’s just a waste of my time.
My thanks go out to two substackers for making this post possible. @ash1952 who posted a thought provoking note
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and @pamfromvermont who suggested that I turn my reply to her question/comment, into a post.
My reply is below and I’ve not changed it at all, except for bolding the last paragraph for effect.
In the interest of this not being longer than it already is, I snipped P.B.’s main question and included it here. I’d encourage all to go to the note and read her entire reply. It’s a very well thought out conversation, on the the larger context of Frances recent decision/action.
It’s a great question P.B.
I’m, going to address upfront, the elephant in the room no one wants to or will give voice to: The French (of all people and cultures) took this action because they know that radical muslims/islamists and their supporters/apologists are the ones creating havoc in the streets and responsible for the astounding rise in rapes, murders and crime they’ve seen.
This is the case for every Western country around the globe, but they’ve been steeped in the liberal/progressive ideology of tolerance and acceptance at all costs, for generations. The French have just reached a breaking point first and been the first to draw this very very weak line in the sand. They could have very well decided to deport all muslims, but they limited it to a law that dealt with public school dress codes.
To your question: Since we in the West have been generationally steeped in fairness, tolerance and acceptance, then I would say “yes”, it applies across the board, because you will have a bevy of liberal activist shouting ‘profiling and bigotry” if not all encompassing. In this case, if the law of the country, state or school dictate a dress code, then it applies to all who attend public school.
I will reiterate here, the French have never done this for the other groups you mentioned - and if we are to be honest in this, we have to ask why? It’s because those other groups/peoples you mentioned were not acting as overt, violent cultural disruptors presently or in the past. They were actually wise enough to assimilate to acceptable levels in order to keep much of their traditional customs. And there in lies the key to this. The measure of “acceptable” does not lie in the hands of the emigre, but the culture (and it’s members), which the emigre wants access to.
I’ve not seen stories about peoples associated with the traditional wear you mentioned (yarmulke, pe’ot, or babuska) raping, assaulting, or terrorizing local populations of these countries, with knives and machetes? And while the liberal/progressive apologists will demand we be obtuse about the obvious problem(s), we must not be.
The funny thing is we already do this in our own country, at municipal levels, with other violent and troublesome groups - gangs. We’ve long identified the trouble makers by their dress, habits and iconography and taken steps to lessen their overt advertisement, in the one place we know radicalization is the most effective - schools.
Of course no one takes issue with this “profiling”, because everyone openly agrees gangs are a problem. However, since we’ve politicized and exempted “special groups’ from this dreadful profiling - especially in the last 4 years - we cannot use the same clear eyed scrutiny or considerations for them, even if there’s ample evidence that members of a particular group are responsible for the rise in rapes, murders and crime, in a given culture.
There can be nuance, but when it comes to the choice between native indigenous culture verses immigrant’s traditions (especially when they are accepted symbols of a culture and people who espouse violent extremism) then the indigenous culture should be put first. This is where our Western sense of “fairness” and “live and let live” have got us into trouble.
I’ll draw a parallel here, because it deals with schools and indoctrination, radicalization and radical ideologies. We’ve allowed perverted and deranged men (AGP and pedophiles) to not only be around children from the age of toddler and up, but to spend hours per day interacting with and teaching them. We did this because a small radical group felt the overarching and well established culture was unfair, intolerant and unaccepting. They also demanded that these perverts were not trying to indoctrinate or change the existing culture, but only wanted to be allowed to live their own truths - and now we are at a place where a child who was groomed by a tranny teacher, can be taken from parents if said parents do not affirm the result of the grooming. The mainstream assault started with drag queen story hour and we have now reached a point where this perversion is codified and rampant in all parts of our governments and academia. This is the result of the tolerance and acceptance at all costs, generational indoctrination of a culture and society.
The burqa and hijab are overt but non-threatening forms of incremental indoctrination and subversion. It is akin to the male teacher over months and years showing up to work with blue hair, then painted nails and eye liner, then a women’s blouse, then a skirt, then makeup and wig and then strap on boobs. It’s how you shove the Overton Window to the extreme end of the scale, without people noticing - incrementalism.
It works so well, that in U.S. courts they have allowed consideration for shariah law in deciding verdicts. Many times to the detriment of the women involved in those cases.
https://centerforsecuritypolicy.org/shariah-in-american-courts-the-expanding-incursion-of-islamic-law-in-the-u-s-legal-system/
Now, people will say, “well what about the native American and their reservations/separate legal system, the Amish and other closed societies in the country. I would say, show me the stories of the rapes, murders and violent crime from those groups, on the cultures around them. You don’t see amish rape gangs roaming the towns they live in or hear about them going on violent crime sprees.
But we Westerners are loathe to call a spade a spade and protect ourselves and cultures from small groups that would demand thousand of years of societal traditions, norms and truths be changed for the sake of a comparative handful of outsiders - who in many cases espouse violence and terrorism and openly call for the fall of the very culture and society they are infiltrating. Westerners also don’t demanding the same reverse assimilation of the home countries and cultures, of these outsiders. You don’t see any Western radicals traveling to the middle east demanding that their customs, practices and cultures be dismantled, to accommodate exposed female hair, mini skirts and onlyfans tranny content providers, walking the streets of Tehran.
Funny how that works. It’s almost as if they know the West has some sort of self destructive, virtue signaling tendency.
Last point.
For those that think this step by the French is outrageous, consider this:
1) This only has to do with public school dress codes. They could just as easily have said, “all muslims get the F out !!” and they did not. So let go of the pearls, fairness and tolerance are still alive and well.
2) If your not French, or living there, then you have no skin in the game. yes you can have your opinion and strong feelings about the matter, but it’s not your country and you don’t live there everyday. And before the push back comes, ask yourselves this: Should the opinions of any people in other countries matter, who say “America should have open borders and should allow in anyone, who want to emigrate and give them full citizenship and benefits.” How about if they really, really, really felt strongly about it, should their opinions matter then and should America listen and change?
P.B. It was a great question and I thank you for it. I hope I gave you a well thought out and considerate answer.
For all those who are looking for an argument or are trolling, you should know, if you seem like an idiot, or not worth my time or attention, you’ll be ignored. I would encourage others reading the comments of trolls, not to feed the animals - it will drive them to even deeper levels if stupidity, depravity and and insanity - and you really can’t get enough of that type of fun these days, for free.
Prisons don't let criminal gang members wear their gang colors and I think that some cities (if I remember correctly) in the US have also at times banned certain gang symbolism, etc. It's the same thing. If a group of people are, at times, known criminals, they give up any "rights" they have. Freedom doesn't mean you get to push your way of life on other people. It's too bad that American's haven't learned that. It's not just a "Muslim" thing. It goes for everything from the idiot biker that feels like they have to rev their stupid engine so loud that it shakes people's houses and wakes the dead, to someone wearing a symbol of the thing they are pushing on others. There's room for disagreement about my views on this, of course, but our society needs to figure out that when our "freedom" to do something affects other people in a negative way and takes away their freedom to be free from what another person is doing, our right to do that thing no longer exists. I'm going down a rabbit hole. Sorry. I'll just add, that if we want more freedom, it is our responsibility to have self control. If we can't control ourselves and act in a way that allows everyone around us to be free as well, then it's our own fault that a police state rises up to police that behavior. To me, this is common sense. But, unfortunately, to many others they just don't get it.
"We’ve allowed perverted and deranged men (AGP and pedophiles) to not only be around children from the age of toddler and up, but to spend hours per day interacting with and teaching them." Please do not leave out the transmaidens, as we've also allowed perverted and deranged females to be in the classroom brainwashing children, and perverted and deranged females to be in mental health manipulating clients, all in the name of worshipping at the feet of deranged males. Comparing a symbolic accoutrement such as a yarmulka, babushka or pe'ot to a niqab with eye slits is juvenile. A babushka just covering the hair is no different than a durag, and in many school dress codes those are also banned. Native Americans are not an immigrant culture and if I visit a reservation I get to comply with their laws, not the other way around. The Amish still have to comply with school dress codes, and the dress that the girls wear are still dresses.