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Rob D's avatar

Prisons don't let criminal gang members wear their gang colors and I think that some cities (if I remember correctly) in the US have also at times banned certain gang symbolism, etc. It's the same thing. If a group of people are, at times, known criminals, they give up any "rights" they have. Freedom doesn't mean you get to push your way of life on other people. It's too bad that American's haven't learned that. It's not just a "Muslim" thing. It goes for everything from the idiot biker that feels like they have to rev their stupid engine so loud that it shakes people's houses and wakes the dead, to someone wearing a symbol of the thing they are pushing on others. There's room for disagreement about my views on this, of course, but our society needs to figure out that when our "freedom" to do something affects other people in a negative way and takes away their freedom to be free from what another person is doing, our right to do that thing no longer exists. I'm going down a rabbit hole. Sorry. I'll just add, that if we want more freedom, it is our responsibility to have self control. If we can't control ourselves and act in a way that allows everyone around us to be free as well, then it's our own fault that a police state rises up to police that behavior. To me, this is common sense. But, unfortunately, to many others they just don't get it.

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Rikard's avatar

I'll make it even easier for you: France is the land of the French people. Not anyone else.

The various whores' veils of islam is not part of France, and is not a garment of the French.

The veils, and the accouterments of islam (and judaism for that matter) is indeed a signal to whatever host nation the intruder occupies territory in. It is a signal saying: We are not you. We are above you. You exist to make way for us.

Islam is what needs to be banned, and moslems returned to their place of origin. Any jews or moslems are welcome to visit if they respect the host nation's traditions, laws and customs and shows due deference to those, without complaint or foul noises.

And the same goes for anyone going to a jewish or islamic nation too. Going to another people's lands is no different than being a guest in someone's house. If I visit you for dinner, and you say Grace - am I to ban you from that in your own home if I'm not a Christian? And am I to demand being allowed whatever rite I feel necessary, maybe even one anathema to your faith?

No. Among indivduals, this is easy to resolve. Don't invite the climate-hysteric, or feminist vegan, or hasidic jew or whatever, if you know they do not respect sanctity of hospitality. If I'm dinner guest in a jewish home, I don't ask for a ham sandwich. If you are guest at my table and I offer you surströmming, I expect you to try it out of respect for proper behaviour (I don't expect you to like it!). And so on.

Nations cannot do that. Nations can only ever act with blunt instruments. Which means that all trouble-causing, rabble-rousing jews and moslems must be returned to their home nations. Or stop bringing their eternal war to other nations.

Oh, and an even easier way to understand this:

Do not apply American logic onto nations and peoples outside of the USA. Understand, if you are American, that land and blood is a real thing, and that being of a people and being a citizen of a state are not even remotely the same thing.

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